still in use in 1961.
Also in 1961 the record was changed again and the words BLON and BRUN were remover leaving only the numbers 686-
201 for the first set of sayings and 683-201 for the second set. You can also find IBR1 and the word Yellow on some of the
records. It would have been later in that same year that BLON and BRUN were remover off the record and I think the
reason they removed the BLON and BRUN off the record was because the Redhead soft head came out and now they used
both records in the 3 different colored haired dolls.
It was also in 1961 that the next two bodies were made. Or rather the cloth was removed off the #1 body making her now
the #2 doll and the #3 body was also made. I know this because you can find a Hard Head Paige Boy, Blonde and Brunette
on those bodies. But I have never found a redhead Paige Boy so the hard head came out before the Redhead Pigtails. I say
that because there isn't a hard head Paige Boy redhead doll. I also think the soft head pigtails were the first pigtail dolls
that came out because you can find soft head blondes, brunettes and redheads on the #2 and #3 bodies. My thinking on that
is… when Mattel made the #2 and #3 bodies and added the hard head, that neck ring was very unstable and would break
off easy. Plus the hard head is so stiff. So when they decided to make the pigtail doll adding the red hair they made that
head soft to fit over those open neck rings easy and were much let likely to break the neck ring. Also I know for a fact the
#3 body was still in use in 1962 because I have a French Canadian doll that has a 1962 record inside her body. The doll had
never been opened and is completely original and it was in 1962 that the pigtail dolls came out as did the 1962 better record
that says 18 phrases. Also this body can have a closed neck ring I find that the later her back is stamped the more likely
she is to have a closed neck ring but that is not always the case. So the transition from an open neck ring to a closed one
first happen with body #3.
By 1962 Mattel figured out a way to make the body better by adding a solid neck ring and now adding hard head pigtails. I
think that is why we see more hard head pigtails on the #4 and #5 bodies than any other body. In fact when you do see a
hardhead pigtail on a #2 or #3 body she does not look right. She looks like she never came on that body and she didn't, at
least not on the #2 is my thinking. But and as far as I can tell the soft head pigtails did, so that is why people think the hard
head pigtail dolls should of also came on those #2 bodies when I am almost sure they didn't. But anything is possible with
these dolls. Mattel was mass-producing the dolls so they had to use up all the doll part. I think in the end all the doll part
were used up, meaning all the bodies were used up and so where the heads and limbs. They would not of just tossed out
those left over parts. Oh, I am sure they did some but in any business where you mass-produce something you are not
going to just throw out perfectly good parts. You are going to use them up where you can. Maybe not the body so much as
it could have been melted again easily but the heads and limbs would have been used up. So # 4 and #5 dolls can be found
with all the different heads including soft head bobs, hard head Paige boys and soft and hard head pigtails. Plus the limbs
too from brown to white, to nice and pink.
I also know that Mattel shipped eyes to Canada, that is why you will see the blue decal eyes in Canadian dolls (but why not
the brown decal? I don't know). Plus Mattel did use the glassine eyes in the Chatty Cathy dolls and in the Tinny Chatty
baby and they are the same eyes as in the glassine eyes in the Canadian Chatty Cathy dolls. So Mattel either got them
from Canada or shipped them to Canada. Ether way they were used a lot in both American and Canadian dolls. In the
American dolls they are mostly see in the blond pigtail soft head. I have seen them in the hard head blondes and in a
brunette Paige boy hard head on the video. Which brings me to the pinwheel eyes in the American dolls. I now think they
were used (maybe) but I am still on the edge with that one, what bothers me is I had a doll with the pinwheel eyes but my
stupidity made me cut those eyes out of the head. Now my thinking is (yes, maybe) some were used but they were too big
for the hard head and after the head shrunk up that eye bulged out and would not close up right, so the idea of using the
pinwheel eye in a hard head was trashed. It just didn't work just like the idea of using the BLON and BRUN on the 1961
records. Different things were tried some worked and some didn't. But I do believe there was some sort of exchange in
eyes between Mattel and Dee & Cee and remember Mattel did buy out Dee & Cee in 1962 because of the Chatty Cathy
doll, because the doll was doing so well in Canada.
So my time line is as follows and please remember this is my educated guess.
1959 the body was designed and made with some sort of record that did say 11 phrases but that record wasn't used in the
dolls. Those first record sayings are on the front of the first 1959 boxes.
1960 early mass production of the prototype body was being made with the first record dated MCMLX. Doll #0
Also in late 1960 the doll was now stamped and in early 1961 the second record was made. Doll #1
Then the cloth cover was removed from the front of the speaker. Doll #2
And the first #3 bodies were made. Doll #3
Also in 1961 the hard head Paige boy came out as did the Chatty Baby doll and later that same year the redhead and soft
heads pigtail doll and the BRUN and the BLON words was now removed from the second 1961 record. But here is also
where Mattel was using up the early bodies and was using the 1961 record in those bodies. Because you have to remember
that 0-#2 bodies are all the same inside and that body had to be used up. It was mass-produced probably more bodies than
they had records for or vice versa depending on where the doll was made.
1962 The hard head pigtails and the #4 and #5 bodies came out with the last record dated 1962 and the doll now said 18
phrases.
By the time Mattel stopped production on the doll what was left over in parts would had to be used up, Hence all the
different heads were used on these two bodies #4 and #5.
Time Line and Summing-Up (below)
Blonde bobs blue eyes
Brunette bobs brown eyes
Blonde bobs brown eyes
Hard head Paige Boy blondes blue eyes and brunette with blue or brown eyes. This is also when Mattel started using the
Glassine eyes. (Also if the pinwheel eye was ever added to the doll it would have been now, but I am still so unsure about
that and I have only ever had one doll that I think was original with green pinwheel eyes. So I am still unwilling to go out on
a limb and say that the pinwheel eyes were ever used in the American Chatty Cathy doll. But I am sure the Glassine eye
was used.
Soft head pigtails blonde, brunette, redheads with blue and brown and glassine eyes.
Hard head pigtails blonde, brunette and redheads with blue brown and glassine eyes.
The dolls that are seen the most below. This is an unrealistic list of the dolls that you see the most and for some odd reason
any doll that doesn't fit the description below doesn't belong or some think is a very rare doll.
An American soft head blonde bob prototype with blue eyes and brown limbs.
An American soft head brunette bob with brown eyes on a #1 body with brown limbs.
A Canadian soft head blonde or brunette bob with pinwheel or glassine eyes on a #2 body with Canadian peachy colored
limbs.
An American hard head blonde or brunette Paige Boy with blue eyes on a #3 body with white limbs and open right hand.
An American soft head blonde, brunette or redhead pigtail with blue eyes on a #4 body with yellow limbs.
An American hard head blonde, brunette or redhead pigtail with blue eyes on a #5 body with peach colored limbs.
When the truth is.... all these dolls are all mixed up and not by one person or some people out there purposely changing
around body parts. When I read things like that, I think, "That is such a ridiculous statement"! Mattel mixed up these
dolls, people didn't. They were sold all different ways. With different heads, bodies and limbs dressed in different clothes
and came in different boxes.
There are very few rules in these dolls... they are...
A prototype always came as a soft head bob and has brown limbs.
#0-#3 always say 11 phrases and never came in box #3.
#5 always says 18 phrase and came in box #3.
Canadian dolls always have soft heads and if they have pigtails also have 2 bald spots on the back of their heads.
And that's it, there are no other rules with these dolls that you can go by and be completely confident she came that way.
